 The first glyph of the original set, an alternative interpretation |
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 Feb 23 2006, 12:40 PM
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The Quest#1
This post will propose an alternative to the “canon” interpretation of the first of the glyphics. I’m calling that set of four glyphs the “original” set, because until now we haven’t been able to prove they are existing glyphs so possibly the band invented them, and as opposed to the other set of glyphs, which are apparently ancient North-Iberian ones: scans notes What follows are ideas from a friend of mine who comes out of an art historic background. He’s not a real fan of the band, though he isn’t entirely ignorant about them. You can consider his vision an outsider’s one. To him the glyphics do not say ’30 seconds to mars’, they are conceptional. The first glyph, the one Jared has tattooed on his right wrist, reminded him of a pictograph of the name Leto X2, LETO-LETO entwined on itself. This topic was posted a first time on the LiveJournal community of the European Echelon. A community member responded that she had seen this interpretation before and somewhere in the deep dark corners of my brain it rang a bell as well. If someone can point me towards a post on a group or a thread on the boards about this, I will gladly join the reference here. I don’t recall anyone posting about what follows though. The pictograph is the same viewed from the top as from the bottom. In that way it resembles the dichotomy expressed in the Chinese yin yang symbol, representing the concepts of male-female and assertive-receptive. Creative process needs both to thrive. One plants the seed, the other gestates, and brings it to fruition. The symbol would mean that Shannon and Jared have that kind of creative union between them. The visual entanglement speaks for itself about the connectedness. Neither is top, or bottom, or rather they are each both, and each contains the seed of the opposite; the energy flows around and around. All the glyphs may thus be visual representations of process concepts. This recalls Shannon’s remark about the glyphs “representing different levels” interview in Bandchat.org 2004 The original set of glyphs is possibly connected with the Iberian set, through the last glyph of the later. (Iberian glyphs have to be read from right to left.) It is an ‘E’, “lying on its back”. Twice that letter ‘E’, once on its back and once on its stomach, “embracing” each other, gives us the first original glyph again. I want to thank the European Echelon for their inspirational comments, which have been a great encouragement for us. As with all my public posts, this is only a hypothesis and a little step in a big quest, raising more questions than it is answering existing ones. Challenge everything! Comment here or on LiveJournal: original post Ur & co Crossposted to: the official Message Boards; 30STM related communities on LiveJournal; the French Echelon forum. As far as I know this topic has not been posted by anyone before. However, if you have posted something similar somewhere, or if you think I have – involuntarily I swear! – borrowed an idea of yours, please let me know and I will give you full credit. Credits : The theme of the glyphics being conceptional has come up in previous discussions between my collaborator and a former friend of his. As such, it is not our original idea. However, every other idea we’re expressing in this post is ours. |
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Feb 23 2006, 12:46 PM
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Your link doesn't work . And i believe it's probably my interpertation . And yes, they are all made up. Great post though.
They basicly represent the band ********************* They are Ancient Hieroglyphics, they are actually made up i believe. and they stand for the bands name. THIS is my interpertation...not confirmed as of yet. Some others hint and say they mean something else but i doubt it. They will always just mean the band 30STM to me. Although, some say the glyphs def stand for the bands name. They say when you translate "Thirty Seconds to Mars" in egyptian hieroglyphics it comes up as those symbols. I myself don't see it however. ******************************** 1st Symbol - intertwined 3's standing for 30. 2nd Symbol - Clock Hands pointing counterclockwise supposed to mean Seconds. 3rd Symbol - An inverted Roman Numeral of 2 (to). 4th Symbol - Drawing of Mars. the two dots represent Phobos and Deimos, Mars' moons I have all the correct lyrics there as well. But the last post is the most updated one. I don't bother with that place anymore. here is a link. my old 30stm board |
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Feb 23 2006, 12:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 7-January 05 From: France Member No.: 345,983 |
The links should work now.
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Feb 23 2006, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(mamanchat @ Feb 23 2006, 12:48 PM) The links should work now.  Thanks. I won't be here for long but i shall check it out. Might be more intereting than my other ideas. |
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Feb 23 2006, 12:52 PM
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The Guy no one Likes Group: Members Posts: 9,248 Joined: 19-November 04 Member No.: 345,803 |
oh diane why the fuck you keep coming back ?
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Feb 23 2006, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(SrRaven @ Feb 23 2006, 12:52 PM) oh diane why the fuck you keep coming back ? Now now dean....no hatin on the fat lady with the mullet. Don't worry...i aint staying. |
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Feb 23 2006, 02:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 1,484 Joined: 20-July 05 From: Spain Member No.: 347,785 |
Thanks Mamanchat ... (and remove the parenthesis from the second link if you want that it works)
The 1st. reminds me a lot to a tetraskele, with two arms closed. The 3rd. (IMG:http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7629/0012ni.gif) can mean 'active intellect', oposed to this one (IMG:http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/3118/0028pa.gif) with the 3 lines crossed, that means 'disordered intellect or confused mental state'. And in geometry means 'similar to'. About the other 2, I have a few theories but I'm not sure enough to post it... |
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Feb 23 2006, 04:53 PM
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I asked my mom to look at the symbols :
(IMG:http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/Poseidonia/30_STM_A.jpg) She said they looked like alchemical symbols her father used to use. (He was heavily into alchemy and the occult). She said if she remembers she'll ask him about the seond and confirm the fourth. (I'll hound her and him). The first symbol is Jupiter. The second she's not sure of. The thrid is the moon The fourth she thinks was for Neptune because of the similarity to a trident. She thinks the Iberian symbols have too many anomalies in them to be correct and too obscure for band members to come up with. This made me laugh. Hey she said it not me!!! (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I love all this discussion about ancient symbols. (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(The Death Dealers @ Feb 23 2006, 06:53 PM) I asked my mom to look at the symbols : (IMG:http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/Poseidonia/30_STM_A.jpg) She said they looked like alchemical symbols her father used to use. (He was heavily into alchemy and the occult). She said if she remembers she'll ask him about the seond and confirm the fourth. (I'll hound her and him). The first symbol is Jupiter. The second she's not sure of. The thrid is the moon The fourth she thinks was for Neptune because of the similarity to a triton. She thinks the Iberian symbols have too many anomalies in them to be correct and too obscure for band members to come up with. This made me laugh. Hey she said it not me!!! (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I love all this discussion about ancient symbols. (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) Yeah, but who came first? The last symbol was used in XVII by alchemist to symbolised the ash and the Iberian alphabet from II IRON AGE. The alchemist symbols are not the original ones, like the Norse Runes. They are derived from the Mediterranean ancient alphabets http://thirtysecondstomars.emiforums.com/i...howtopic=292520 |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(Aitana @ Feb 23 2006, 08:04 PM) Yeah, but who came first? The last symbol was used in XVII by alchemist to symbolised the ash and the Iberian alphabet from II IRON AGE. The alchemist symbols are not the original ones, like the Norse Runes. They are derived from the Mediterranean ancient alphabets http://thirtysecondstomars.emiforums.com/i...howtopic=292520 My mum is an Anthropologist and she says what you say is valid but she stands by the fact that the bands knowledge of said Iberian alphabet would be limited unless they studied ancient culture which she highly doubts. My mother cracks me up man!!! (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And I could see Jared Leto at least being interested in alchemy. EDIT: btw she also says it's nice to see young people taking an interest in ancient languages, symbols and mythology. |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(The Death Dealers @ Feb 23 2006, 07:12 PM) My mum is an Anthropologist and she says what you say is valid but she stands by the fact that the bands knowledge of said Iberian alphabet would be limited unless they studied ancient culture which she highly doubts. My mother cracks me up man!!! (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yes, that's possible. Maybe they don't took the symbols directly from the ancient alphabets (phoenician, iberian or etruscan) but from those "modern" interpretations of the symbols. |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:18 PM
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God, you smell good. Group: Members Posts: 3,536 Joined: 19-March 05 Member No.: 346,339 |
They're just fucking symbols.
You guys are getting way too into this. |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(Aitana @ Feb 23 2006, 08:15 PM) Yes, that's possible. Maybe they don't took the symbols directly from the ancient alphabets (phoenician, iberian or etruscan) but from those "modern" interpretations of the symbols. Yes definitely modern interpretations. QUOTE(Sanzen @ Feb 23 2006, 08:18 PM) They're just fucking symbols. You guys are getting way too into this. I think we can enjoy ourselves by discussing it regardless. It's not hurting anyone and we're having fun. |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(The Death Dealers @ Feb 23 2006, 08:18 PM) Yes definitely modern interpretations. I think we can enjoy ourselves by discussing it regardless. It's not hurting anyone and we're having fun. no kidding eh |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:29 PM
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God, you smell good. Group: Members Posts: 3,536 Joined: 19-March 05 Member No.: 346,339 |
It's hurting me.
Stop. |
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Feb 23 2006, 05:30 PM
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your mom Group: Members Posts: 2,801 Joined: 3-February 06 Member No.: 351,068 |
QUOTE(Sanzen @ Feb 23 2006, 08:29 PM) It's hurting me. Stop. no it's nooootttt! (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) |
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Feb 25 2006, 08:33 AM
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Feb 25 2006, 08:57 AM
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I'm in love with Bill Murray. Group: Members Posts: 1,630 Joined: 22-March 05 From: the inside ... Member No.: 346,350 |
QUOTE(Sanzen @ Feb 24 2006, 01:18 AM) They're just fucking symbols. You guys are getting way too into this. But it's exciting to keep searching ..... I think the glyphics mean things .... they are not just symbols ! And you know that, so stop braking us (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
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Feb 25 2006, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(TheBannedOne @ Feb 23 2006, 09:55 AM) Now now dean....no hatin on the fat lady with the mullet. Don't worry...i aint staying. (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) OMFG. What is the point .... really? |
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Mar 15 2006, 07:37 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 7-January 05 From: France Member No.: 345,983 |
QUOTE(Aitana @ Feb 23 2006, 11:54 PM) The 1st. reminds me a lot to a tetraskele, with two arms closed. I never thought of that, but since they are using some “disputable” runes as well … (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Of course, we should consider the original meanings of those symbols and try to see why they would be important to the band. QUOTE The 3rd. can mean 'active intellect', opposed to this one with the 3 lines crossed, that means 'disordered intellect or confused mental state'. And in geometry means 'similar to'. Most of all, it reminded me of the Chinese trigram called ‘the creative’: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_ching QUOTE About the other 2, I have a few theories but I'm not sure enough to post it... Let’s discuss it. (IMG:http://thirtysecondstomars.forumsunlimited.com/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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